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Re: Is this an anarchy or a dictatorship?

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:37 am
by Iron adam
Uim elon wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 10:47 am viewtopic.php?t=87561
Correct action, this wasn't a bug.
Uim elon wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 10:47 am viewtopic.php?t=86781
Definitely debatable. I would have left this open for discussion. Nex was new at the time and we should have fully fleshed out the mechanics.
Uim elon wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 10:47 am viewtopic.php?t=86596
Correct action, it has been well known since the release of the collection log that lots of things weren't logged and would never be backfilled.

I would also add that these are incredibly minor/nuanced game mechanics. Very different situation from the discussion at hand.

Re: Is this an anarchy or a dictatorship?

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:48 am
by Uim elon
Iron adam wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:37 am
Uim elon wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 10:47 am viewtopic.php?t=87561
Correct action, this wasn't a bug.
It could easily be argued that moving it to the discuss ideas section of the forums would be a more fitting solution than instantly locking and archiving after an opinionated statement such as “I don’t support this as an idea.” But you’re open to your own opinions on that.
Iron adam wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:37 am
Uim elon wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 10:47 am viewtopic.php?t=86596
Correct action, it has been well known since the release of the collection log that lots of things weren't logged and would never be backfilled.

I would also add that these are incredibly minor/nuanced game mechanics. Very different situation from the discussion at hand.
I’m not gonna insult your intelligence by posting a bunch of threads of Mike manually updating Collection logs for players who obtained items but the log did not fill out.

Now I know your response will be “He only did that for items obtained after the collection log was released.” Sure. But that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t consider doing it for such niche, hard to obtain items worth thousands….. and thousands….. and thousands……. Of Pkhonor points.

That’s why I think locking and archiving it before Mike can even speak on it is the wrong decision.

Re: Is this an anarchy or a dictatorship?

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2024 2:48 pm
by Khilla
Uim elon wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:48 am That’s why I think locking and archiving it before Mike can even speak on it is the wrong decision.
Mike is able to unlock/lock threads as he wishes. You tagged him in the post, so he would have got the notification. If he read the notification and wished to fix your collection log entry, he could have + unlocked the thread. If he didn't read the notification, then leaving the thread unlocked would serve no purpose. The post wasn't moved from the in-game glitch section anyways.
Uim elon wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:48 am It could easily be argued that moving it to the discuss ideas section of the forums would be a more fitting solution than instantly locking and archiving after an opinionated statement such as “I don’t support this as an idea.” But you’re open to your own opinions on that.
A developer verified that a bug report you posted wasn't, in fact, a bug. They informed you of this. If you, now having updated information, want it to be a suggestion then the onus is on you to post a thread for that.

This is rather off-topic at this point anyways.

Re: Is this an anarchy or a dictatorship?

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2024 3:00 pm
by Brant
Sorry, I don't have access to lock, unlock, or move threads yet else I would for like 75% of glitches/bugs and the suggestions. As a way to help devs, keep the ingane glitches section to only bug or glitchs at hand. If you lost something due to a bug or glitch, post about it in the refund, then post only about the bug/glitch in the bug/glitch category. Eventually I want to revamp the entire glitch and bug category anyway cause currently trying to search through each topic trying to find bugs related to just the client I gotta do each thread manually

Re: Is this an anarchy or a dictatorship?

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2024 3:18 pm
by Khilla
Brant wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 3:00 pm Sorry, I don't have access to lock, unlock, or move threads yet else I would for like 75% of glitches/bugs and the suggestions. As a way to help devs, keep the ingane glitches section to only bug or glitchs at hand. If you lost something due to a bug or glitch, post about it in the refund, then post only about the bug/glitch in the bug/glitch category. Eventually I want to revamp the entire glitch and bug category anyway cause currently trying to search through each topic trying to find bugs related to just the client I gotta do each thread manually
Send me a list via forums pm/discord/tag me in the thread and lmk if they should be locked/unlocked/archived and I'll do it for now.

Re: Is this an anarchy or a dictatorship?

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2024 10:21 pm
by Isaac
As a neutral in this whole scenario of Raj v. Wir3d and others I'd like to chip in my thoughts and opinions as a long-time player of this server, a 46ber and as an ex Senior Moderator once upon a time. I think this gives me some sort of right to state my opinion. If you care to read, please do. If you don't like it, rest assured in advance that I truly do not care about what you think.

Please also, for the sensitive keyboard warriors, remember that I'm not posting anything to annoy or trigger anyone, I'm posting my genuine and neutral opinion as someone who loves this server which I spent a vast amount of my teenage and 20s years playing. I don't know either of you guys personally, or really at all. The only caveat to my neutrality is that I would say thank you to Raj for volunteering his time as a dev, as any genuine PkHonor player should. You have my respect for that, but as you'll see, not for much else of this chaotic drama which has being allowed to ensue and fester into toxicity. So, allow me to begin.

Firstly, it may be a tough dose of reality to swallow (depending on if either of you are narcissistic) but I and many many others I am sure do not give a single damn about what has happened between you two or the groups you associate yourselves with. This server is not, and never was, about you lot and your beef so I don't understand why you keep persisting at it and clogging the forums up with these threads. WE DON'T CARE and there are much, much bigger fish to fry for PkHonor at the moment.

Secondly, if you don't like each other (which shockingly is absolutely fine because you simply cannot like everyone you meet - it's human nature) then seriously just GROW UP, block each other and move on. Block each other in-game, on Discord, whatever. When you realise just ignoring someone who's trying to get a rise out of you really is as simple as ignoring them so they get no gratification (which is what they are looking for in the first place - classic bully tactics which normally hide personal problems/flaws I might add), it might help you both to reflect and mature a little bit. I'm not saying that either of you are actually immature as I don't know you guys personally, but it's hard to rule that out with certainty given that you've both been acting like squabbling children for the past however long, and it's time for someone to say end this and move on. Releasing PMs and screenshots thinking you're some chad victim/hero (really really strange behaviour, especially if you're actually an adult IRL) is what little kids do. So please, both of you grow up and realise neither of you are really that important to this server given it's vast history. None of us are.

As Patel rightly said, and I must admit he's always pretty spot on (the guy is clearly very mature and intelligent - a rare combination), one of you needs to take the high ground because it's simple. not. that. deep.

All this frustration and we are missing the key issues going on with the server at the moment. In all my years of playing, I've never seen it in this bad of a shape and that genuinely surprises me. So my suggestion is for everyone to stop throwing mud at the wall to see what sticks and actually band together to think about ways in which we, as a COMMUNITY, can resolve the issues which PkHonor is facing at the moment.

Also, if either of you are still genuinely pissed off or annoyed and just want to cause more childish drama, it would be my genuine advice to just leave the server and forums temporarily. Take a break for a week, two weeks, a month. Work on yourself IRL and come back to the table once you've calmed down and can see that your squabbling adds nothing positive to this server and on behalf of the rest of the remaining loyal player base, we don't want or care to see it at this time.

Re: Is this an anarchy or a dictatorship?

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2024 10:58 pm
by Wir3d
Isaac wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 10:21 pm .....
Thanks for the input.

Mind you, this all started because he didn't like us using "Hey Bestie" in discord and clog it with "useless" spam because we having a convo with friends and alike. He abused his powers to timeout and ban certain people ( certain people deserved it due to them baiting\flaming him) . I have dropped it since the first day but he can't grasp that and has kept it going on for weeks. He has be blocked on discord which is fine, yet he chooses to open my messages and somehow make those messages about himself.

I've moved on yet some people can't just seem to drop it and respectful grow up.